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Episode 38

Product Counseling at Nest, Apple, and a Climate Change Startup: Vineet Shahani, GC, Mill

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Episode 38

Product Counseling at Nest, Apple, and a Climate Change Startup: Vineet Shahani, GC, Mill

Key insights

1. Environmental Law is Following the Privacy Trajectory.

Shahani argues that environmental compliance today mirrors privacy law 12 years ago. With Europe leading on regulation, a surge in government investment (e.g., Inflation Reduction Act), and a generational divide in consumer expectations, lawyers who master this ambiguous space now will be the industry leaders of the next decade.

2. Hit a Single" to Overcome Career Inertia.

During economic downturns, professionals often wait for the perfect "pitch" that never comes. Shahani suggests taking opportunities that might lack brand name recognition but offer base-level experience, as "getting on base" allows you to build a narrative that eventually leads to top-tier roles.

3. Lawyers Should "De-credential" to Build Better Networks.

To transition into leadership or advisory roles, lawyers must develop networks outside the legal community. This requires "de-credentialing"—moving past legal labels to find common ground with designers, engineers, and entrepreneurs on topics like product strategy and tech.

4. Embrace the "Wave" Approach in Startups.

In a startup, seeking 100% perfection is often a sign of poor performance. Legal teams must adopt the product team’s iterative mindset: focus on "Wave 1" (getting the product out and mitigating immediate consumer harm) and plan for Wave 2 and 3 to clean up policies and cost structures as the company scales.

5. Closing insight

Your ability to counsel a CEO effectively depends on your willingness to leave the "four corners" of a traditional legal job description and act as a co-pilot in the company's strategic journey. Transitioning from a specialist to a strategic generalist is the only way to earn a permanent seat at the executive table.

In this podcast, we cover

0:00 Introduction
2:22 Explaining Mill and its environmentalist mission-oriented concept
8:01 Considering work in an ESG (environmental social governance)-related company
10:18 Advice for lawyers who want to work on climate issues
14:41 Beginning your path to a full-time counsel role as an outside advisor
18:16 Unpacking the phrase "hitting a single
22:56 Defining the responsibilities of a product counselor
26:10 Lessons about product counseling from Apple
28:07 Transitioning from Apple to Nest
32:08 Leading legal at Nest through an acquisition by Google
38:09 Assisting on a political campaign
42:01 What you wish you'd known as a young lawyer

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